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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The code that I've written for creating shortcuts does not provide a means
for the end-user to specify a path for the shortcuts. The path for the
shortcuts is predetermined by the software vendor and contained within
the configuration file.


that's cool with me Smile

can your installation file be run from within a zip file that contains all the program files (as opposed to running a sfx to extract the files to a temp folder)?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For my larger packages I prefer to use NSIS, which is also a free and
completely customizable installer.


Thanks for the link. That looks interesting. Did this used to be a commercial product? I'm sure I've looked at it before, so it must have been expensive otherwise I would have tried it.


As far as I know it's always been free. At least that is what I gather from
what I've read on their web site and in the docs that came with NSIS.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serge wrote:

that's cool with me Smile

can your installation file be run from within a zip file that contains all the program files (as opposed to running a sfx to extract the files to a temp folder)?


No, sorry it can't. There's too much overhead involved for a product like
that. The only way my installer can be run is after the files have been
extracted to a temp folder.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh ok! Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As far as I know it's always been free. At least that is what I gather from what I've read on their web site and in the docs that came with NSIS.


If that's so. I don't know why I haven't used it. As a basic installer it creates smaller setups than Agentix, but they are a bit larger if you use the modern UI. It's pretty hard to use though (more so than Agentix.) I still haven't found how to do something like set a check box for creating quicklaunch icons or running an EXE. That's easy in Agentix.

Worth a look anyway, especially as it's free...

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some free third party tools to easy the task of creating scripts
for NSIS. I haven't used any of them as I usually will write my own. I
have written a complicated IDE for the NSIS language, but you need to be
familiar with the language to use it for now.

If you'd like, I can put together a wizard interface for you, in VDS of
course, if you'd like since I am very familiar with NSIS script language. If
you're interested, send me a PM. Run some of their samples to see which
interface you like and I'll write a wizard for it that can output the
necessary code in NSIS to build the installer with the NSIS compiler.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Bill.

I wouldn't want you to go to all that trouble just on my behalf. But since NSIS is free, it seems to me that such a wizard would be useful to VDS users in general. Especially if it was VDS-oriented enough to have built in options for installng the runtime and so on.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a nice free IDE for NSIS: http://hmne.sourceforge.net/. It includes a wizard for building the install script.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jules,
I only offered because I'm fairly familiar with the NSIS Script syntax. Not
to mention, it's not like I have a life anyway Confused Shocked

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Bill.

I've spent a while looking at it, and I think I now understand it about as well as I need to, but I certainly found AGInstaller and Inno Setup much quicker from first installing to creating a script that did what I want.

NSIS is certainly powerful, but you have actually got to tap in to that power to do basic things like install a DLL that is in use on reboot, or show check boxes on the final page to say if you want to show the readme or run an EXE or put shortcuts in quicklaunch (still haven't figured that out), which are a simple option in the other two.

But I plan to move over to it eventually, because it has a more modern interface and is better supported than AGInstaller (which has a problem with Japanese Windows that the developer won't respond to) and creates setups 200K slimmer than Inno.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this install sounds good... i'am looking for something that my users can uses to make simple plugins.... i just need a simple installer that lets you set the path and folder name to install the plugin in to and what folder to make the setup from...that is all i need ( but of course the installers i have found are not that simple for normal users)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One other note:

ShinobiSoft Setup Wizard does NOT provide uninstallation facilities
either. Sorry guys.

I'm almost finished. I'll be asking for some BETA testers in a day or two.

Adding the shortcut creation abilities added another 10k to the executable.
So we're now at about 38Kb.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tim6389 wrote:
this install sounds good... i'am looking for something that my users can uses to make simple plugins.... i just need a simple installer that lets you set the path and folder name to install the plugin in to and what folder to make the setup from...that is all i need ( but of course the installers i have found are not that simple for normal users)


That's basically what I've written here. I've made it as simple as
possible.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bweckel wrote:
tim6389 wrote:
this install sounds good... i'am looking for something that my users can uses to make simple plugins.... i just need a simple installer that lets you set the path and folder name to install the plugin in to and what folder to make the setup from...that is all i need ( but of course the installers i have found are not that simple for normal users)


That's basically what I've written here. I've made it as simple as
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that is prefect! that is what i need if ya need a beta tester let me know Smile

thanks


p.s i don't even need shortcuts made

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

one idea i would like to see is a command line option so i can uses vds to make the setup file....then have it complie the setup.exe from what the setup file has in it for setting..meaning

for example

complie [folder and file names inculding any sub folder] [folder name to install to] [setup name.exe]

i hope you follow what i mean

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